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title: DELL Is a Horrible Company, and You Should Avoid Them At All Costs
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date: 2020-07-17T16:23:34-07:00
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tags: ["Electronics"]
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I really do not want this to be a consumer electronics blog. Such things
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aren't interesting to me, and nor do I have much knowledge
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about them. However, sometimes, ripples from these areas make their way
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into my life, and this is one such instance. Let me tell you
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{{< sidenote "right" "source-note" "a story" >}}
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I originally wrote about this in
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<a href="https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/Ridiculously-Bad-Support-Experience/td-p/7554383">a thread on DELL's support website</a>. Some of this post is
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going to be adapted from the support website, but some things have happened
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since. You will probably notice the change between the terse language I used
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in the original post and the fresh text that I'm writing now.
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{{< /sidenote >}} of
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my experience with DELL and their XPS 2-in-1 laptop, which has gone on since
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around January of 2020, and is still going at the time of writing, in July
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2020, half a year later.
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I was, until recently, an undergraduate student in Computer Science. I will
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soon be starting my Masters in Computer Science, too. I say this to make one
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thing clear: I need a computer. Not only is it a necessity for my major,
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but the majority of my hobbies -- including this blog -- are digital, too.
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Since my university is a couple of hours from my home, I travel back and forth
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a lot. I also have a cozy little spot in the
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{{< sidenote "right" "offices-note" "graduate student offices" >}}
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They're a bunch of cubicles in a keycard-protected room, really. Nothing fancy.
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{{< /sidenote >}}at my university, but travel by bus, so I find myself spending
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roughly equal portions of my work time at home and 'elsewhere'. A laptop
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as my primary machine, I thought, made sense. But it had to be a decent one.
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Persuaded by one of my instructors, who stressed the importance of vision and
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a decent screen, I settled on a DELL XPS, which at the time came with a 4k
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display.
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As is commonplace, things went great at first. The screen _was_ really nice,
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all of my code compiled swiftly, and even the games I occasionally played ran
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at a solid 60fps. I was happy with my purchase.
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There was one hiccup before things went really downhill, a sort of
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foreshadowing of things to come. My trackpad didn't work at peculiar times.
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### Prologue: Trackpad Hiccups
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While working, booted into Linux, I noticed that my trackpad was having some
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trouble. It was stuttering, and occasionally wouldn't work at all for seconds
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at a time. I assumed that this was a problem with the trackpad drivers on
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Linux, or perhaps the whole system was freezing up. I rebooted, and the
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problem went away.
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Until it came back.
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A few days later, my trackpad was freezing virtually every minute.
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It was strange, but fortunately, I'm used to a keyboard-based workflow, and
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the malfunctions did not affect me too much. It was just a little troubling.
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What soon made it more troubling, was that I noticed this exact same issue
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occurring on Windows. To me, this meant one dreadful thing: it was a hardware
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issue.
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I poked and prodded for a little bit, and finally discovered the cause:
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whenever I put my hand on the left palmrest, the trackpad would reliably stop
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working. Knowing what the issue was, I called DELL. I spoke to a guy on the
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other end, who had me run through diagnostics, driver updates, and BIOS
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settings (I imagined this was procedure, so I didn't mind doing the extra
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work to make the other guy's job easier). Finally, he scheduled a repair
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appointment. A technician came into my house, took off the laptop cover,
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and said something along the lines of:
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> Now look. They gave me a whole new motherboard and case to replace yours,
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but in my personal opinion, this is a bad idea. Things are bound to break
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when you do this. See how the replacement case has an insulating piece
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of fabric under the left palmrest, and yours doesn't? Why don't we rip
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the fabric off the replacement case, and tape it in place on your machine,
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without any reassembly?
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This man was wiser than any of the other DELL technicians, I now understand.
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The repair went without a hitch. He grilled me for going to college instead of
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just picking up a trade, which was cheaper and offered more job security.
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In the end, I felt a little weird about having a piece of fabric duct taped
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inside my computer, but the trackpad had no more issues ever since. All was
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well.
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### Service Request 1: Broken D Key
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All was well, that is, until the middle of winter term. I was typing up an
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assignment for a university class. I was working as usual, when I suddenly
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noticed that the "d" key stopped working - it had to be pressed rather weird
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to register on the computer. I looked down, and discovered that the key had
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snapped in half. The top part of the key fell off shortly thereafter.
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{{< figure src="brokenkey.jpg" caption="The broken D key shortly after the above events." >}}
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At that point, I was more surprised than anything. I hadn't heard of something
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like this ever happening, especially under circumstances as normal as typing.
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Regardless, I contacted support, and set up a repair appointment. Things only
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went downhill from there.
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Again, the appointment was scheduled, and only a few days later, another
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technician arrived at my house. The only way to repair the key, he said,
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was to replace the whole keyboard. They keyboard happens to be located
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underneath all the other hardware, and so, the entire laptop had to be
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disassembled and reassembled from scratch. He worked for about an hour, and
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eventually, he put the machine together. The words of the previous
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technician, who wanted to avoid doing exactly what had just been done, echoed
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in my head:
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> Things are bound to break when you do this.
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I asked him to test it, just to make sure everything works. Sure enough,
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not everything did work: the machine no longer had sound!
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### Service Request 2: No sound
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During diagnostics, the laptop did not emit the "beep" it usually does. This
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was the first sign. Booting into Windows, the sound icon was crossed out in
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red, and no sound was present. Booting into Linux led to similar results.
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The microphone on the machine did not seem to work either. The service
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technician said that he didn't have the parts to repair it, told me he'd call
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it in, and left. Soon after, I got an email asking for times I'm available to
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call: I said "any time except for 1-4 pacific time". DELL support proceeded
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to call me at 3pm pacific time, when I had no service. Unable to reach me,
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they promptly notified me that they are archiving my service request.
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This all occurred near finals week at my university, so I had to put the issue
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on hold. I had to maintain my grades, and I had to grade heaps of assignments
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from other students. Though the lack of sound was annoying, it wasn't as
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pressing as preparing for exams, so it was during spring break that I finally
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called again, and scheduled the service appointment. By then,
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{{< sidenote "right" "pandemic-note" "the pandemic was in full swing," >}}
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Just for posterity, in 2020, there had been an outbreak of COVID-19,
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a Coronavirus. Many states in the U.S., including my own, issued
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the orders for lockdown and social distancing, which meant the closing
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of schools, restaurants, and, apparently, the cessation of in-person
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repairs.
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{{< /sidenote >}}and DELL told me they'd mail me a box to put my laptop in, and
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I'd have to mail it off to their service center. Sure, I thought, that's
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fine. If it's at the service center, they won't ever "not have the required
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parts". I told the tech support person my address, he read it back to me, and
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so it was settled.
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Until, that is, the box arrived at the wrong address.
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I had received the machine as a gift from my family, who purchased the
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computer to arrive at their address. The box arrived at that address too,
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despite my explicit instructions to have it deliver to my current residence.
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Since my family and I live 2 hours apart, it took 4 total hours to get the box
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to me (a drive that couldn't be made right away!), and by the time I had it,
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DELL was already threatening me again with closing the service request.
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Eventually, I was able to mail the machine off, and about 5 business days
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later (business days during which I did not have a working machine, which is
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very necessary for my school and job) I received it back. I was excited to
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have the machine back, but that didn't last very long. As I was using the
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computer with Wolfram Mathematica (a rather heavy piece of software running
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under Linux), I noticed that it was discharging even while plugged in. I
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booted into Windows, and was greeted with a warning, something along the
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lines of: "you are using a slow charger. Please use the official adapter".
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But I was using the official adapter! I also tried to plug my mouse into the
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relevant USB-C port, only to discover that it did not work. I had to make
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another service requests.
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### Service Request 3: Broken Charging Port
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This time, I made sure to tell the person on the other end of the support
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call to please send it to my address. I asked if there was anything I can do,
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or anyone I can contact, and was told "no, just mail the computer in again."
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I obliged. The box arrived at the right address this time, so I was able to
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ship it off.
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In the "describe your issue" field on the provided form, I begged the
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technicians to send me a working machine. "Please", I wrote "Last time I got
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a machine back from support, it was still broken. I really need it for school
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and work!". 5 business days later, I received the machine back. I plugged it
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in to make sure it worked, only to find out . . . that the very same charging
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port that I requested be repaired, is still broken! It would've been funny,
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if it wasn't infuriating. How is it possible for me to receive a machine from
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repairs, without the thing I asked to repair being as much as improved?!
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Worse, a day after I received the machine back (I was able to keep using it
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thanks to it having two USB-C ports capable of charging), the LCD suddenly
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flashed, and started flickering. Thinking it was a software glitch, I
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restarted the machine, only to discover the same flickering during the boot
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animation and menu. Not only was the charging port not repaired, but now my
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LCD was broken! (in the below picture, the screen is meant to be blue, but
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the bottom part of the display is purple and flickering).
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{{< figure src="brokenlcd.jpg" caption="The broken LCD." >}}
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### Service Request 4: Broken LCD
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I called in to support again, and they once again told me to ship the machine
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off. What's worse, they accused me of breaking the port myself, and told me
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this was no longer covered under basic warranty. I had to explain all over
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again that the port worked fine before the fateful day the D-key snapped. They
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told me they'd "look into it". Eventually, I received a box in the mail. I
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wasn't told I would be receiving a box, but that wasn't a big deal. I mailed
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off the machine.
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The UPS shipping was always the most streamlined part of the process. A day
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later, I was told my machine was received intact. Another day, and I was
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informed that the technicians are starting to work on it. And then,
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a few hours later:
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> __Current Status:__
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> The part(s) needed to repair your system are not currently in stock.
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> __What's Next:__
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> In most cases the parts are available is less than five days.
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A few days is no big deal, and it made sense that DELL wouldn't just
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have screens lying around. So I waited. And waited. And waited. Two weeks
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later, I got a little tired of waiting, and called the repair center.
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An automated message told me:
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> We're currently experiencing heavy call volumes. Please try again later. Goodbye.
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And the call was dropped. This happened every time I tried to call, no matter
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the hour. The original status update -- the one that notified me about the
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part shortage -- came on May 8th, but the machine finally arrived to me
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(without prior warning) on June 2nd, almost a month later.
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The charging port worked. Sound
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worked. The screen wasn't flickering. I was happy for the brief moments that
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my computer was loading. As soon as I started vim, though, I noticed something
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was off: the fonts looked more pixelated. The DPI settings I'd painstakingly
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tweaked were wrong. Now that I thought about it, even the GRUB menu was
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larger. My suspicion growing, I booted into Windows, and looked at the display
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settings. Noticeably fewer resolutions were listed in the drop-down menu;
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worse, the highest resolution was 1080p. After almost a month of waiting,
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DELL replaced my 4k laptop display with a 1080p one.
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### System Replacement: Worse LCD Screen
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I admit, I was angry. At the same time, the absurdity of it all was also
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unbearable. Was this constant loop of hardware damage, the endless number of
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support calls filled with hoarse jazz music, part of some kind of Kafkaesque
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dream? I didn't know. I was at the end of my wits as to what to do. As a last
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resort, I made a tweet from my almost-abandoned account. DELL Support's Twitter
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account quickly responded, eager as always to destroy any semblance of
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transparency by switching to private messages:
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{{< tweet 1268064691416334344 >}}
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I let them know my thoughts on the matter. I wanted a new machine.
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{{< figure src="dm_1.png" caption="The first real exchange between me and DELL support." >}}
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Of course we can proceed further. I wanted to know what kind of machine I was getting,
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though. As long as it was the same model that I originally bought,
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{{< sidenote "right" "replacement-note" "it would be better than what I have." >}}
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At least in principle, it would be. Perhaps the wear and tear on the replacement
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parts would be greater, but at least I would have, presumably, a machine
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in good condition that had the 4k screen that made me buy it in the first place.
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{{< /sidenote >}}
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Despite this, I knew that the machine I was getting was likely refurbished.
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This _had_ to mean that some of the parts would come from other, used, machines.
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This irked me, because, well, I payed for a new machine.
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{{< figure src="dm_2.png" caption="Ah, the classic use of canned responses." >}}
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Their use of the canned response, and their unwillingness to answer this simple
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question, was transparent. Indeed, the machine would be made of used
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parts. I still wanted to proceed. DELL requested that I sent an image of
|
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my machine which included its service tag, together with a piece of
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paper which included my name and email address. I obliged, and quickly got a response:
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{{< figure src="dm_3.png" caption="If it was me who was silent for 4 days, my request would've long been cancelled. " >}}
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Thanks, Kalpana. Try to remember that name; you will never hear it again, not in this post.
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About a week later, I get the following beauty:
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{{< figure src="dm_4.png" caption="Excuse me? What's going on?" >}}
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My initial request was cancelled? Why wasn't I told? What was the reason?
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What the heck was going on at DELL Support? Should I be worried?
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My question of "Why" was answered with the apt response of "Yes",
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and a message meant to pacify me. While this was going on, I ordered
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a
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{{< sidenote "right" "pinebook-note" "Pinebook Pro." >}}
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The Pinebook – a $200 machine – has, thus far, worked more reliably than any DELL product
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I've had the misfortune of owning.
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{{< /sidenote >}} It was not a replacement for the DELL machine, but rather
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the first step towards migrating my setup to a stationary computer,
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and a small, lightweight SSH device. At this point,
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there was no more faith in DELL left in my mind.
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Soon, DELL required my attention, only to tell me that they put in
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a request to see that status of my request. How bureaucratic. Two
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more names -- Kareem and JKC -- flickered through the chats,
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also never to be seen again.
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{{< figure src="dm_5.png" caption="Not much of a conversation, really." >}}
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Finally, on July 9th (a month and six days after my first real message to DELL
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support), I was notified by my roommates that FedEx tried to deliver a package
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to our house, but gave up when no one came to sign for it. On one hand, this
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is great: FedEx didn't just leave my laptop on the porch. On the other hand,
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though, this was the first time I heard about receiving the machine. I got
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to the house the next day, unpacked the new computer, and tested all the things
|
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that had, at one point, failed. Everything seemed to work. I transfered all my
|
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files, wiped the old computer clean, and mailed it off. I also spent some
|
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time dealing with the fallout of DELL PremierColor starting on its own,
|
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and permanently altering the color profile of my display. I don't have the
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special, physical calibration device, and therefore still suspect that my
|
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screen is somewhat green.
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Today, I discovered that the microphone of the replacement machine didn't work.
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### Am I The Problem?
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When the mysterious FedEx package arrived at my door on July 9th, I did some
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digging to verify my suspicion that it was from DELL. I discovered their
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HQ in Lebanon, TN. This gave me an opportunity to
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{{< sidenote "right" "reviews-note" "see" >}}
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{{< /sidenote >}} whether or not I was alone in this situation. I was genuinely
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worried that I was suffering from the technical variant of
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[Munchausen Syndrome](https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/munchausen-syndrome#1),
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and that I was compulsively breaking my electronics. These worries were
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dispelled by the reviews on Google:
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{{< figure src="reviews_1.png" caption="Most of the reviews are pretty terse, but the ratings convey the general idea." >}}
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There were even some that were shockingly similar in terms of the apparent
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incompetence of the DELL technicians:
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{{< figure src="reviews_2.png" caption="Now, now, Maggie, I wouldn't go as far as recommending Apple." >}}
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So, this is not uncommon. This is how DELL deals with customers now. It's
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awfully tiring, really; I've been in and out of repairs continuously for
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almost half a year, now. That's 2.5% of my life at the time of writing,
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all non-stop since the D-key. And these people probably have spent considerable
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amounts of time, too.
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### It's About the Principle
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The microphone on my machine is rather inconsequential to me. I can, and regularly do,
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teleconference from my phone (a habit that I developed thanks to DELL, since
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my computer was so often unavailable). I don't need to dictate anything. Most
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of my communication is via chat.
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the microphone is a benign problem. As I have now learned, things could be worse.
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But why should the thought, _"It could be worse"_, even cross my mind
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when dealing with such a matter? Virtually every issue that has
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occurred with my computer thus far could -- should! -- have been diagnosed
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at the repair center. The 'slow charger' warning shows up in BIOS,
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so just turning the computer on while plugged in should make it obvious something
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is wrong; doubly so when the very reason that the laptop was in repairs
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in the first place was because of the faulty charger. I refuse to believe
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that screens with different resolutions have the same part identifier,
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either. How have the standards of service from DELL fallen so low?
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How come this absurd scenario plays out not just for me, but
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for others as well? It would be comforting, in a way, to think
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that I was just the 'exceptional case'. But apparently, I'm not.
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This is standard practice.
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### Tl;DR
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Here are he problems I've had with DELL:
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* The machine shipped, apparently, with a missing piece of insulation.
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* The "D" key on the keyboard snapped after only a few months of use.
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* While repairing the "D" key, the DELL technician broke the computer's sound and microphone.
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* While repairing the sound and microphone, the DELL technicians broke a charging port.
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* The DELL technicians failed to repair the charging port, mailing me back a machine
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exhibiting the same issues, in addition to a broken LCD screen.
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* The repair of the LCD screen took almost a month, and concluded
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with me receiving a worse quality screen than I originally had.
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* The system replacement that followed the botched LCD repair took
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over a month to go through.
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* The replaced system was made partially of used parts, which
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DELL refused to admit.
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* The microphone on the replacement system was broken.
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### Closing Thoughts
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I will not be sending my system in again. It doesn't make sense to do so -
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after mailing my system in for repairs three times, I've measured empirically that
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the chance of failure is 100%. Every service request is a lottery, dutifully
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giving out a random prize of another broken part. I no longer wish to play;
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as any person who gambles should, I will quit while I'm ahead, and cut my losses.
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However, I hope for this story, which may be unusual in its level of detail,
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but not its content, to be seen by seen by someone. I hope to prevent
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someone out there from feeling the frustration, and anger, and peculiar amusement
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that I felt during this process. I hope for someone else to purchase a computer
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with money, and not with their sanity. A guy can hope.
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If you're reading this, please take this as a warning. __DELL is a horrible
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company. They have the lowest standards of customer support of any
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U.S. company that I've encountered. Their technicians are largely incompetent.
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Their quality assurance is non-existent. Stay away from them.__
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